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A TERF and a Tranny Walk Into A Podcast Studio
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A TERF and a Tranny Walk Into A Podcast Studio

Geeking Out With Heterodorx hosts Corinna Cohn and Nina Paley

Early access to November 28, 2022 edition

Nina Paley is an illustrator, filmmaker, and self-described TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist). Corinna Cohn is a transwoman who happens to be Nina’s good friend. According to the culture war playback, the two should be mortal enemies. Instead, they have a podcast together; Heterodorx, which focuses on their daily lives and the current state of the gender wars. In this conversation, Nina and Corinna talk with Meghan about what drew them together as friends, how the podcast emerged, and, above all, how their individual experiences around sex roles, stereotypes and power differentials led to their “gender critical” stance. They also get candid about their relationships to their own sexuality. Nina recalls her adventures in sex positivity in the San Francisco counter culture in her younger years, including putting makeup on her crossdressing boyfriends. Corinna speaks candidly about the physical, psychological and sexual effects of her transition, at age 19, and why she urges caution in kids now seeking medicalized transition. Finally, Nina explains why she uses he/him pronouns for Corinna and Corinna explains why this doesn’t bother her since she has better things to do!

Guest Bios:

Corinna Cohn writes about life having undergone the process of gender transition as a teenager in the 1990s. Corinna’s writing has appeared in Quillette and the Washington Post.

Nina Paley is the creator of the critically acclaimed animated musical feature films Sita Sings The Blues and Seder-Masochism, a 2006 Guggenheim Fellow, and Free Culture advocate. 

Relevant links:

My Sex-Positive Memoirs by Nina Paley

The Banality of Stupid by Nina Paley

What I Wish I’d Known When I Was 19 and Had Sex Reassignment Surgery by Corinna Cohn

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